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 Post subject: juma
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:37 pm 
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I just saw this and it was advertised as material for making stems. It looks like it is used in making pool cues. has Anyone used this? Thanks, Norm.


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 Post subject: Re: juma
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It's been used before and it's a decent material. The downside is that it isn't true black and doesn't shine up as well as ebonite or acrylic. I use the ivory Juma as shank and stem extensions and rings. It's a nice ivory alternative. It also machines really well and is super easy to work with. It takes a little extra work to get a decent finish on it but don't expect it to really shine. The finish is a step or two above matte.

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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I think Scottie uses the carnelian stuff. Maybe she can chime in?

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 Post subject: Re: juma
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:07 am 
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I have used it all. I like it all. I will use it all again.


Hope this helps :thumbsup:



Really, its a good material. It turns rather easily and sands well. Wayne is right about the shine. Nick (Boulder & Briar) and I made a pipe for the KC show with the Carnelian. He got a great shine out of it. His secret, which I have since duplicated, was to wet sand to 1000 and then buff and wax. I did it a bit differently as I sanded to 3200 and then buffed and waxed. It still wasn't as shiny as ebonite, but it was close.

We were talking about Juma on the call the other night and Nate and Premal said you can't use alcohol on the white (ivory) or carnelian because they dissolve. I haven't tried it myself, but I think we can trust them. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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I have not tested the plain white yet. The black is fine, but weighs about 50% more than the densest ebonite. The Carnelian will separate with alcohol and maybe some other solvents, the Snake skin will also separate with alcohol and maybe other solvents.

Not sure why y'all can't get it to shine like ebonite. I can.

This one has it:
http://www.smokershaven.com/chheda-pipe ... ade-3.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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PremalChheda wrote:
Not sure why y'all can't get it to shine like ebonite. I can.


Because we're not Premal Mother-Fucking Chheda.....that's why :lol:

And I don't sand everything quite as well as I should.....I'm working on it :twisted:

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PremalChheda wrote:
Not sure why y'all can't get it to shine like ebonite. I can.


Because we're not Premal Mother-Fucking Chheda.....that's why :lol:

And I don't sand everything quite as well as I should.....I'm working on it :twisted:



It's all in the buffing I think. Lots of white diamond and careful touch.

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I have to make another black juma stem next week....I'll pay extra attention to the white diamond step and see how it turns out. :thumbsup:

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PremalChheda wrote:


"magical piece well suited for anyone who wants to look handsome and worldly."

:lol: I am guessing Scott wrote this :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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Okay, this sounds like it is a little more difficult to get a good shine. Is this softer than acrylic? Do You think the stem is more comfortable? I thought I might try it but I don't know how it compares, cost-wise, to ebonite or acrylic. Where do You purchase juma? Thanks for all the replies, Norm.


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https://www.cuestik.com/store/?DEPARTMENT_ID=197

It's easier to work than acrylic. On par with ebonite in that regard. I haven't actually compared the cost. I have a collector that doesn't want ebonite and I hate working with acrylic....juma was the perfect substitute for both of us.

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If you want to order some I am putting an order together tonight. PM me what you want and I will add it to my order and then ship it to you when it gets here....their shipping and handling are a bit over the top.

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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Thanks Scottie, I looked at Their site and what I would want is out of stock. I am still on the fence so maybe I should wait a couple of Years until I am an expert on the standard material, Norm.


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Juma sounds a little like Polyester for polishing, it takes a bit of technique to get a good shine.

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Thanks Scottie, I looked at Their site and what I would want is out of stock. I am still on the fence so maybe I should wait a couple of Years until I am an expert on the standard material, Norm.


Norm, you are a wise man. Master the basics and work with what you got. PM me your address if you want a bit to experiment on.

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 Post subject: Re: juma
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Anyone have a source for this that isn't out of stock?

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These guys are in Europe, but it looks like they have it.

http://www.elforyn.de/en/juma/black/1639/juma-rods

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scotties22 wrote:
Nate and Premal said you can't use alcohol on the white (ivory) or carnelian because they dissolve.


That sucks!! I've used the ivory grained Juma for decorations and I've considered making a stem out of it, but if what you guys say is true that would make it unusable for stems-I know most guys will be cleaning the stem with alcohol and I don't want the stem dissolving from the inside because of an alcohol soaked pipe cleaner.
I think the ivory grained Juma is one of the best synthetic ivory substitutes on the market- it has an interesting and irregular pattern and doesn't look cold white like some of the ivory polyester that I've tried.
I have about half a rod of black Juma but I'm not a fan of it as far as a mouthpiece material, not black enough and a bit too soft for a thin bite zone maybe (but that could be just my personal impression of it, I haven't tested it's hardness :wink: :wink: )

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W.Pastuch wrote:
scotties22 wrote:
Nate and Premal said you can't use alcohol on the white (ivory) or carnelian because they dissolve.


That sucks!! I've used the ivory grained Juma for decorations and I've considered making a stem out of it, but if what you guys say is true that would make it unusable for stems-I know most guys will be cleaning the stem with alcohol and I don't want the stem dissolving from the inside because of an alcohol soaked pipe cleaner.
I think the ivory grained Juma is one of the best synthetic ivory substitutes on the market- it has an interesting and irregular pattern and doesn't look cold white like some of the ivory polyester that I've tried.
I have about half a rod of black Juma but I'm not a fan of it as far as a mouthpiece material, not black enough and a bit too soft for a thin bite zone maybe (but that could be just my personal impression of it, I haven't tested it's hardness :wink: :wink: )


I have not tested the white solid juma. Only the snake pattern colors, carnelian, and black. The black is fine. The snake pattern and carnelian will separate with alcohol. I am assuming the solid ivory should be fine like the black. I have not tested it yet.

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Thanks for the link Scottie. After getting things in my shopping cart and making it to checkout, they don't ship to the US. Why is good stem material so hard to get? I have four chubby authors needing colorful 25mm stems and SEM wants 60$ for shipping!

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