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Drilling vids

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Some quick little tiny videos of drilling this pipe:

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These are hosted on Google Video:

Step 1, 39 seconds, drilling a pilot hole
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0585&hl=en

Step 2, 1:57min, enlarging the hole (To make the spade bit drilling easier), then drilling the bowl with a 7/8" homemade spade bit, then switching to a much narrower spade bit to take the bottom down a bit deeper
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3736&hl=en

Step 3, 9 seconds, it's a pipe!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6483&hl=en

The last one shows part of the big lever that advances the carriage, which is otherwise blocked by my ass. It works like a rowing machine.
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Post by Nick »

Too cool Trever. The bowl looks like it wasn't 90 degrees to the top of the pipe. Is that right?

Nice ass too, BTW.
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Nick wrote:Too cool Trever. The bowl looks like it wasn't 90 degrees to the top of the pipe. Is that right?

Nice ass too, BTW.
:shock:
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Nick wrote:Nice ass too, BTW.
Bwahahahaha ... :lol:
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Very cool machine! This strikes me as essentially the best of both World's. Very similar to drilling by hand in terms of the advantages of shaping first, only here you also have the advantages of clamping the stummel perfectly into position (well one hopes anyway) and holding it there without worrying about being pulled out of alignment as you drill. Do you use this for the draught hole and mortise too, or just the chamber?

:idea: It strikes me that it might be possible to work something out as a retrofit for a metal lathe tool carriage. Maybe just customizing a vice with shaped soft jaws and welding something to it that would allow it be swapped out with the tool holder.... Not sure if there is enough hight available to pull that off on mine or not....

Trever, have you ever been to the Genod shop? I was looking at some interesting pics of their operation:
http://www.synjeco.ch/pipesandtobaccos/ ... enmake.htm

A couple of pieces of their tooling are reminiscent of some of yours. They also have some that look more like fraizing machines than yours do... Sounds like they are really cranking pipes out of there!
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Nick wrote:Too cool Trever. The bowl looks like it wasn't 90 degrees to the top of the pipe. Is that right?

Nice ass too, BTW.
I'm shakin' it just for you, baby! :twisted:
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sethile wrote:Very cool machine! This strikes me as essentially the best of both World's. Very similar to drilling by hand in terms of the advantages of shaping first, only here you also have the advantages of clamping the stummel perfectly into position (well one hopes anyway) and holding it there without worrying about being pulled out of alignment as you drill. Do you use this for the draught hole and mortise too, or just the chamber?
Usually just the chamber, though I may change that. At the moment I still usually drill the mortise and airhole on the lathe using the centerline and guidepins. I'm not crazy about guidepins though, they end up sliding or scratching too often even using drops of protective glue (I do a lot of horn-stye shapes with steep underside sweeps that leave little for a guidepin to press against).

When I have the chance, I'm going to rummage in my vast pile of tooling and see if I can adapt a tiltable peg to my carriage, to use like so:

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That is an excellent way to drill an airhole - Just center the drill bit to the bowl-bottom peg, pop the stummel onto it, and the bit will go right where it's supposed to.
sethile wrote: :idea: It strikes me that it might be possible to work something out as a retrofit for a metal lathe tool carriage. Maybe just customizing a vice with shaped soft jaws and welding something to it that would allow it be swapped out with the tool holder.... Not sure if there is enough hight available to pull that off on mine or not....
I think it would require some expensive custom machining. Pipe shapes are so different that you need a lot of latitude in the chuck for it to be workable. If you'll look very closely at the chuck jaws in my pic, they work as follows:

Soft wood jaws in different shapes that are easily popped on and off as needed to fit a pipe. I've epoxied thick rubber padding to each to avoid any marks at all, and the gripping surfaces are covered in adhesive-backed 80grit paper for best grab.

The adjustability is the thing, though. The chuck is self-centering, BUT...

Each jaw can rotate independently, like a clock hand.

Each jaw has independent angle swivel, allowing them to tilt toward or away from the drilling mount.

The whole chuck can be rotated in place (Not all pipe shapes are drilled head-on, after all), raised or lowered (to fit various bowl-side centerlines), and cranked from side to side as needed.

I'm not saying you couldn't achieve some of this by fiddling around with a lathe carriage, but I'm afraid you'd pretty quickly find yourself very limited in terms of what you could drill unless you have the ability to basically maneuver the stummel in three dimensions to fit every possible center alignment.
sethile wrote: Trever, have you ever been to the Genod shop? I was looking at some interesting pics of their operation:
http://www.synjeco.ch/pipesandtobaccos/ ... enmake.htm

A couple of pieces of their tooling are reminiscent of some of yours. They also have some that look more like fraizing machines than yours do... Sounds like they are really cranking pipes out of there!
Never been there, but I have a lot of that machinery here in the attic or tucked into corners of the workshop. I'm amused to see he's got my same wooden sanding spindles! I love those things.

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TreverT wrote:Image

That is an excellent way to drill an airhole - Just center the drill bit to the bowl-bottom peg, pop the stummel onto it, and the bit will go right where it's supposed to.
That's brilliant!! I must have these tools!!!
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Trever, thanks for all the great info! I can't even imagine how cool it would be to have a shop full of old tools used to make pipes in various ways! Pretty amazing situation you're in there, my friend, and it couldn't have happened to better person to take full advantage of it either!

I've seen a carving vice that pivots in all directions. It also has a way to change out the jaw faces, although it looks like more work than your set up. I'd have to find a much short version of it than what I saw to work on top of the cross slide.... I may poke around at some point, but you're right, it's a long shot. I might as well spend my efforts learning to use what I already have!

In terms of alignment with pins in the tail stock and it poking into or sliding across the stummel even with glue. I have the same exact problem, but John Crosby came up with a great solution. He super glues little pieces of hardwood or briar chips at the intersection points, which are angled to be 90 degrees to the point. Then you can really stick in without fear of sliding accross the curved area or marring the stummel beyond the point of sanding it out. It's a great idea!

Yeh, those wood sanding and buffing spindles look awesome! Looks like a great system.

The two pin sliding jig to align for drilling the draught hole looks great! Claudio Cavicchi uses an interesting jig for a drill press that looks to use the same principal. Kind of a bad picture of the working end of the jig, but you can see how it works:
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I love seeing all the creative ways folks have come up with to facilitate alignment while drilling a couple of simple intersecting holes!
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Yes, isn't that Cavicci jig elegant? You would need a drill press with pretty decent spindle travel, but the guide pin for the bowl would be dead easy to make..

Trever is right in that his drilling rig would be a pretty major fabrication project. Not impossible, though, and I would suggest that anybody looking to replicate it begin with a turret tailstock, if one is available for your lathe. I have one for my Logan that I bought pretty much just because it was there and have been wondering what to do with it. Adding a bit of something to give the tailstock center purchase (a blob of epoxy -- another of Todd's tips) works well enough for now, but I can see that if I used a self-centering vise mounted where the turret is, the only job remaining would be to make the swivel jaws.

When it comes to making jigs and machines, though, you have to draw the line somewhere. As pipemakers have proven through the years, you can get as much improvement sometimes with practice as you can with a new machine.

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JHowell wrote:When it comes to making jigs and machines, though, you have to draw the line somewhere. As pipemakers have proven through the years, you can get as much improvement sometimes with practice as you can with a new machine.
I'll second that. It used to take me forever to rough shape a pipe with my belt grinder. An entire afternoon could be spent doing that - no joke. Now it takes a couple minutes, and the shape is much more refined.

It's also the primary reason why I've never bought a metal lathe. I've got so much practice invested with wood lathes that I can do anything I want with just some minor setup. In a few weeks I'm actually going to go purchase a nice big one too, to help reduce vibration and give me the clearance to turn *big* objects.
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JHowell wrote:...When it comes to making jigs and machines, though, you have to draw the line somewhere. As pipemakers have proven through the years, you can get as much improvement sometimes with practice as you can with a new machine....
AMEN Jack! Any chance this insight is from your "other life".... How many young musicians do you know that are looking for ways to improve their sound by fussing with the instruments when they could be making much more progress practicing! Pads, reeds, mouthpieces, or just becoming obsessed with a better more expensive horn when they have not really challenged the capabilities of the one they have. Or in my case, strings, bridge, sound posts, action, fingerboard, a better bow, better hair etc... Of course like tooling for pipe makers, these things are all factors, and a great instrument properly set up can make a huge difference, to be sure, but I've heard amazing music made on instruments that some would consider unplayable.

In our culture it's tempting to start thinking we can buy our way into being good at something. You simply can't buy your way into avoiding the need for the raw talent to start with, then applying the hard work, dedication, and just long hours invested to get really good at something.

Turning craft into art is not a matter of tooling, but good tools can make part of the process less time consuming, allowing more energy and time to be dedicated to the creative and aesthetic aspects, and of course, for those of us that love tools, it's just fun to play with them too :wink:
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