small motors

Discussions of tools wether you bought them or made them yourself. Anything from screwdrivers to custom chucks and drilling rigs.
Post Reply
User avatar
bregolad
Posts: 234
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: irvine, ca

small motors

Post by bregolad »

I'm looking to buy a cheap setup that I can modify easily. I mean really cheap.
I was wondering what kind of attachments I can put on a 1/3-1/2 hp motor? sanding wheels? I'd like to buy Kurts setup with arbours, but I'd also like to know if I can put a jacobs chuck on a motor like that and freehand drill my pipes. This kind of setup would allow me to forgo spending all my money on a lathe (at least to my mind). Don't hesitate to shoot this down and crush my hope :o
J&J Pipes
jnjpipes.com
User avatar
KurtHuhn
Site Admin
Posts: 5326
Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:00 pm
Location: United States/Rhode Island

Re: small motors

Post by KurtHuhn »

Anything that generates 1/4 to 1/3 HP at 1725 RPM is perfect for sanding. Even at that, it might be overkill in the power department.

For freehand drilling, they might get bogged while drilling the tobacco chamber. For that most guys use a lathe, to get the torque benefit of gearing down the RPM. The motor on my metal lathe is a 1/3HP motor, and even at that it will overpower the drive belt from time to time.
Kurt Huhn
AKA: Oversized Ostrogoth
artisan@k-huhn.com
e Markle
Posts: 1081
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:39 pm
Location: Phoenix AZ

Re: small motors

Post by e Markle »

PME sells a 3 Jaw chuck that will attach to the spindle of a motor the way I think you want it to. Good luck drilling like that though; it can be done, but it would be pretty tough.
User avatar
baweaverpipes
The Awesomer
Posts: 947
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:07 am
Location: Franklin, Tennessee
Contact:

Re: small motors

Post by baweaverpipes »

bregolad wrote: but I'd also like to know if I can put a jacobs chuck on a motor like that and freehand drill my pipes.
No.
User avatar
Sasquatch
Posts: 5147
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:46 am

Re: small motors

Post by Sasquatch »

Bruce, I'd like to point out that while it may in fact be the case that such a practice is dangerous, impossible to control, and probably foolish, it could in theory be done, and therefore your previous post is incorrect.

I would think that you'd be way, way better off to buy a lathe. It costs more, initially, but the functionality for making pipes is a million times higher than the sort of thing you are pondering, breg.
ALL YOUR PIPE ARE BELONG TO US!
User avatar
jeff
Posts: 1006
Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:00 pm
Location: San Diego, CA
Contact:

Re: small motors

Post by jeff »

baweaverpipes wrote:
bregolad wrote: but I'd also like to know if I can put a jacobs chuck on a motor like that and freehand drill my pipes.
No.
What if he uses a spade bit?
User avatar
Alan L
Site Supporter
Posts: 290
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:17 am
Location: Johnson City, TN, USA

Re: small motors

Post by Alan L »

jeff wrote:
baweaverpipes wrote:
bregolad wrote: but I'd also like to know if I can put a jacobs chuck on a motor like that and freehand drill my pipes.
No.
What if he uses a spade bit?
It'd work fine until he ran out of fingers. :lol:

I'd hate to think of trying to freehand drill with a 1750 rpm motor and no way to slow it down.

Heck, it's scary enough with a 350 rpm drill press! :shock:
User avatar
KurtHuhn
Site Admin
Posts: 5326
Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:00 pm
Location: United States/Rhode Island

Re: small motors

Post by KurtHuhn »

Alan L wrote: It'd work fine until he ran out of fingers. :lol:
So... one pipe then? :D
Kurt Huhn
AKA: Oversized Ostrogoth
artisan@k-huhn.com
User avatar
bregolad
Posts: 234
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: irvine, ca

Re: small motors

Post by bregolad »

dang. fine.
:lol:

i'm young and naive and i don't need all my fingers anyways.
What if he uses spade bits?
and in answer to jeffs query, thats the plan (spade bits).
also, what about turning prefab stem tenons on this contraption using the PIMO tools or therebouts?

i know y'all are going to tell me to get a lathe, but i can't right now.

thanks for all the advice though :)
J&J Pipes
jnjpipes.com
User avatar
Sasquatch
Posts: 5147
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:46 am

Re: small motors

Post by Sasquatch »

You'd be best off to get a drill press and a pimo tenon tool, in that case. Drill presses can be had fairly cheap - around 80 bucks. You can drill your blocks and stems, and polish on a drill press if you have to.
ALL YOUR PIPE ARE BELONG TO US!
User avatar
T3pipes
Posts: 252
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:57 am
Location: Western Ky

Re: small motors

Post by T3pipes »

Save up and put the crafting on hold for now.

What ever route you go, buy a dust collection system of some kind at the same time.
User avatar
TRS
Site Supporter
Posts: 763
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 8:44 pm
Location: Michigan

Re: small motors

Post by TRS »

bregolad wrote:i know y'all are going to tell me to get a lathe, but i can't right now.
craigslist and patience. seriously. i scored a NICE lathe for fitty bucks man.
e Markle
Posts: 1081
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:39 pm
Location: Phoenix AZ

Re: small motors

Post by e Markle »

BeatusLiebowitz wrote: craigslist and patience. seriously. i scored a NICE lathe for fitty bucks man.
Welp, I officially hate you. :D
User avatar
KurtHuhn
Site Admin
Posts: 5326
Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:00 pm
Location: United States/Rhode Island

Re: small motors

Post by KurtHuhn »

When you are just starting out learning, when you're still on your first few pipes, a lathe is not necessary. Not even in the top ten tools.

Get a good drill press. You'll find that, even after you do get a lathe, the drill press will still see tons of use - not just for pipes, but for other workshop projects as well.

For God's sake, don't use a motor with a Jacobs chuck on it to drill tobacco chambers. Please.

Motors are for shaping, sanding, and buffing.
Kurt Huhn
AKA: Oversized Ostrogoth
artisan@k-huhn.com
User avatar
bregolad
Posts: 234
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: irvine, ca

Re: small motors

Post by bregolad »

alright. thanks gentleman. drill press is next then :)
J&J Pipes
jnjpipes.com
Charl
Posts: 1901
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:03 pm
Location: South Africa

Re: small motors

Post by Charl »

One thing about motors (not being from a mechanical background) that has been puzzling me, is this:
I have been seeing a lot of motors without the HP on, for some reason. Is there any way to work out what the horsepower should be by looking at the other stuff (W, etc)?
FredS
Posts: 304
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:21 pm
Location: Kansas City, USA

Re: small motors

Post by FredS »

You can calculate the HP, but you have to be able to measure some other stuff to do it.

HP = (V x A x Eff)/746
V=Volts
A=current (Amps)
Eff=efficiency

For quick calculation purposes, assume that most electric motors have an efficiency of 70% (.70). So a motor on 110V, drawing 10 Amps would have a rating of 1.0 HP.
"Cut your own wood and you warm yourself twice." - Henry Ford
Charl
Posts: 1901
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:03 pm
Location: South Africa

Re: small motors

Post by Charl »

Great stuff! Thanks Fred! :notworthy:
Post Reply