My First Pipe: In Process

[d.huber]

As such, there'll be a lot more stem work being done on a different stem tomorrow. Hopefully by the end of Wednesday I'll finally have a stem in my stummel!

You pig!

Also - you're making me want to carve a pipe. This is not another slope I want to jump off.

You're posting in the wrong place, buddy.

Jump! Jump!

[d.huber]

Ladies and gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure, I present to you a Stummel with a Stem in it!



Oh, and by the way, it passes a cleaner with absolutely no issues.



Aaah!! ::runs around flailing like a little kid::

[d.huber]

:takes a breath:

I am far from done, however. There's a lot to be worked out, as you can see, but man does this feel like a triumph. 7 hours spent on two stems to get this fit. What a benchmark!

[d.huber]

I can tell already if you approach that stem pragmatically and artfully, that pipe is going to be a STUNNER. I can totally see where the smoothing-down process and slight bend is going to occur... very cool.

Congrats on the next step! :cheers:

What are you using to turn your stems and tenons to shape?

[d.huber]

I can tell already if you approach that stem pragmatically and artfully, that pipe is going to be a STUNNER. I can totally see where the smoothing-down process and slight bend is going to occur... very cool.

Kyle, I have a feeling you and I think a like. I was just thinking about that slight bend towards the bit before I saw this post.

Congrats on the next step! :cheers:

What are you using to turn your stems and tenons to shape?

Thanks!

A dremel plus rasps and files. All by hand! Ugh.

As awesome as it is that the stem fits, I have a sincere feeling that this was beginner's luck.

Here's a video for everyone to oggle:

http://www.youtube.com/v/-8wUSpG4NwU

[d.huber]

Well, OK.

FWIW, one spoon bit will cost you as much as a drill press, so good luck with that.

Sure as hell easier to tote around... Spoon bits, I can get 'em for $35 - $50. Only need to buy one.

Honestly, I'm probably going to have a friend machine me something that will work.

Again, use what works. If you carve a pipe with a river rock and it comes out beautiful, who's to say you're "wrong?" As they say in Thailand, "Phuket."

Thanks for the info! I'm learning so much during this process and largely thanks to you and Kurt. And the gentleman who goes without saying: Kyle. I am loving every minute of this.

With all of this filthy commentary, I'm not sure I want to be included in this conversation. People... talk...

If initiative is the best lesson, experience is the best teacher. No contest.

[d.huber]

Well, OK.

FWIW, one spoon bit will cost you as much as a drill press, so good luck with that.

Sure as hell easier to tote around... Spoon bits, I can get 'em for $35 - $50. Only need to buy one.

Please PM me a phone number.

I was just in a group buy where we had to buy 100 bits to get them down to $100 apiece. I'd love to have a source for $50.

[d.huber]

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[d.huber]

For those who are following this thread on BoB, sorry for posting a few of these out of order. I overlooked them while reposting.

[d.huber]

Just an FYI for those watching and participating:

I made a lot of headway over the last three days as those were my days off this week. I probably won't have any new progress to report until next week when my time off comes up again. Until then!

[KurtHuhn]

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Just to point out, these ARE spoon bits, but are not the same type that pipe makers use. They're more accurately called "chair makers bits". They're also not, in my opinion, well suited to using on pipes if you intend to freehand drill. They like to grab the wood and rip it out of your hands - not as bad as spade bits, but certainly more than pipe making "spoon" bits.

The type of bits that pipe makers talk about when we say "spoon bits" look similar to this:


They're much kinder on your hands and powered tooling. The others are not designed to be power-driven. They are meant to be used in a brace and manually turned. If that's your bag, they may work for you - but it's going to be a lot of work!

[d.huber]

Thanks for the clarification, Kurt!

I'll go ahead and post the remainder of the conversation up until now, but let it be known that Kurt just addressed the issue which will be discussed in the next several reposts.

[d.huber]

Just an FYI for those watching and participating:

I made a lot of headway over the last three days as those were my days off this week. I probably won't have any new progress to report until next week when my time off comes up again. Until then!

Slacker.

[d.huber]

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Those are the wrong kind. Unfortunately the pipe making kind probably stole and bear the wrong name.

Those might work though. I suspect it's been tried, but who knows?. Let us know if you give those a go. It would save me some money if they work well

[d.huber]

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Those are the wrong kind. Unfortunately the pipe making kind probably stole and bear the wrong name.

Those might work though. I suspect it's been tried, but who knows?. Let us know if you give those a go. It would save me some money if they work well

Some are more V shaped than U shaped. I believe these would work ace. Good bowl at the bottom, nice straight-sided chamber. When I get to the point where I'm figuring on making my own tobacco chambers, I have 'em bookmarked and ready to buy. I'll keep BoB apprised.

[d.huber]

Those are the wrong kind. Unfortunately the pipe making kind probably stole and bear the wrong name.

Those might work though. I suspect it's been tried, but who knows?. Let us know if you give those a go. It would save me some money if they work well

Some are more V shaped than U shaped. I believe these would work ace. Good bowl at the bottom, nice straight-sided chamber. When I get to the point where I'm figuring on making my own tobacco chambers, I have 'em bookmarked and ready to buy. I'll keep BoB apprised.

I don't want to sound like I'm parroting Tyler, but...

Those bits are all wrong for drilling a tobacco chamber for a variety of reasons, but primarily because they will grab the wood, since the cutting edge is at an acute angle to the direction of the rotation/movement. Trying to use these under power will result in all sorts of frustration, pain, sadness, and possible conversion to a Luddite. These are designed for use in a brace, and to be turned by hand through relatively soft wood in comparison to briar.

If your goal is to actually use a brace and employ elbow grease to shape the chamber, then these are okay, but please do not attempt to run them under power. Trust me, I've tried it, and somehow managed to escape with only minor injury to my hands and no lasting damage to my sanity.

[d.huber]

If your goal is to actually use a brace and employ elbow grease to shape the chamber, then these are okay,

Good to hear. Thank you. My idea was to use them by hand in a responsible manner, actually...which is fine, I have no power tools to speak of. Nothing that can injure me. I have no idea what I'm doing; motivation, common sense and chaos are my guide.

I guess we should have all clarified our methods.

With that said, Kurt, where's the place you get your tools for the craft? Information is best served shared.

Downie pipes apparently are made with these:



...then there's this...

viewtopic.php?t=3104


...are some vehemently against using "traditional" spoon bits versus custom-made, very expensive bits, or is the matter a closed one among everyone? There has to be more options, I've tried doing a LOT of research on what tools everyone uses, and since I don't have the space or $5,000 to drop on custom lathes, drill presses and the like. there's got to be a way to do this. I'm not Rad Davis, nor will I ever be.

*shrug*

Another option, modified spade bits:




...but again, I'd have to track down a metal worker to do this for me. A much higher likelihood when I get to the point I want to try drilling my own chambers.

Overall, part of the reason why I don't post on pipemakersforum.com is there seems to be only one way to do things, the juggernaut carver's way, or the wrong way. Perhaps there's some truth hiding in the power trips, egos and arguments on there, but the conflict does little to help out those who are either starting out or try to make do with what they have.

It's only discouraging to newbies and those who's immediate goal isn't to produce a $600 stunner pipe at Chicago Pipe Show.

[d.huber]

This link has some possibly innovative and sought-after tools and wares as well, forgot it was in my extensive (unorganized) bookmarks on the subject...

http://www.pimopipecraft.com/tools.html

[d.huber]

When you start drilling your own chambers, you could always do what I've been doing: drill a pilot hole and then use your dremel to carve out the rest of the chamber freehand. It's a learning experience, but it's a lot of fun, although time consuming.

Also, I'd say that pipemakersforum is a fantastic resource. There's a lot of support for newbies, and the big players also chime in, which I think can really help someone who wants to continue to get better at making pipes. If someone isn't interested in making a high functioning and beautiful pipe, then they probably shouldn't be asking for feedback on a forum that is designed for high end pipe makers and for people seeking to learn how to make high end pipes. I think it unfair to say that the forum consists of only "power trips, egos and arguments" when 99% of the time the only thing anyone is trying to do is help people improve.

My experience so far in what I've read and been told there is that you don't have to make a pipe exactly like the big boys, but they do have a plethora of experience to share with people who are learning. To me, this is invaluable. There are also conversations on that forum about creating with your own voice, essentially, but learning all the tricks of the trade to make a beautiful and excellent smoking machine that you can then shape into whatever you like. Learning the basics, however, is essential to doing it well. It's important to learn the rules before you break them.

[d.huber]

With that said, Kurt, where's a good place for folks to get proper bits for powered use?

Downie pipes apparently are made with these:

Those were made by Brad Pohlmann. They are the current gold standard for freehand drilling tobacco chambers. Every few years he finds some time to make a new set and offer them for sale. His current run is going on now, but since I have a set in the two sizes I use most, I have not partaken of this round. I did not look at the price for this production period, but the last one was about the cost of a drill press - each.

Now, I want to make it clear. This is NOT the one and true way to drill a tobacco chamber. Is is A way. And when I say "freehand drilling", that means that the pipe is fully shaped before a single hole is made. It is a very advanced technique that requires a lot of practice and more than a few screwups. Essentially you shape the pipe in it's entirety, then drill the mortise, airway, and tobacco chamber. It is, frankly, not for everyone. It's really not even for me. I actually don't care for the method, though I do use it from time to time as necessary. OR when I feel like pushing my envelope. Others use it every day. They've earned my respect for that.

The majority of my pipes are drilled with a silver and deming bit that has had the tip reground to the proper shape. I could just as easily use a spade bit, and sometimes I do. It depends on what the pipe shape is, and what sort of chamber I want. I have found the reshaped silver and deming bits to provide the most consistent results and best finish inside the chamber, but the spade bits are doggone inexpensive. Really it boils down to personal choice - what can you afford, and how much time are you going to invest in making your tooling (or cash to buy it).

...then there's this...

viewtopic.php?t=3104

I love all the posts where I suffix things with "and you might die".

If you look hard enough on that forum, you will find my method for reshaping silver and deming bits. It's dangerous and stupid. Don't look for it. You have been warned. I accept no responsibility to your estate.

...are some vehemently against using "traditional" spoon bits versus custom-made, very expensive bits, or is the matter a closed one among everyone? There has to be more options, I've tried doing a LOT of research on what tools everyone uses, and since I don't have the space or $5,000 to drop on custom lathes, drill presses and the like. there's got to be a way to do this. I'm not Rad Davis, nor will I ever be.

*shrug*

The standard bit for beginners is the reshaped spade bit. It's solid, it works, it's inexpensive, and it's not complicated. A lot of very experienced pipe makers use reshaped spade bits that cost them a $1 at the local hardware store, and 15 minutes to reshape. I use them all the time, and I've been doing this for over 10 years.

I also don't own a crapload of high precision and custom tooling, outside of what I've made myself. If you want I can list my daily tooling, which I think would surprise a lot of people. Suffice to say, I don't think I have anywhere near $5000 invested in the totality of my tooling.

Pipes can be made any number of ways. But if I make a suggestion on what NOT to do, please believe me, it's because I want to save someone time or health. Some things I see suggested on pipemakersforum.com are just downright dangerous, and it's those things I encourage folks not to do.

Another option, modified spade bits:



...but again, I'd have to track down a metal worker to do this for me. A much higher likelihood when I get to the point I want to try drilling my own chambers.

If you have access to a bench grinder or belt sander, you can make these. If not, PIMO (as you've found) offers these for sale. If you're looking, I suggest the PIMO bits. They are very good, and I still have the original set I bought all those years ago - along with the book. For the beginner, PIMO has all teh tools you need, and they're not expensive in the least.

Overall, part of the reason why I don't post on pipemakersforum.com is there seems to be only one way to do things, the juggernaut carver's way, or the wrong way. Perhaps there's some truth hiding in the power trips, egos and arguments on there, but the conflict does little to help out those who are either starting out or try to make do with what they have.

It's only discouraging to newbies and those who's immediate goal isn't to produce a $600 stunner pipe at Chicago Pipe Show.

By and large, we are a supportive group that is very open to alternative methods.

We will make suggestions, however, if we see inefficiencies in process or tooling. So if you say you want to use nothing but hand tools, you will get a reply or two that indicates that a drill press, at minimum, would be a good investment. BUT, nobody will hang you for it. If, however, you say you want to make two pipes a day and go full time, and sell pipes that cost $1000, but are not willing to listen when a pro (or dedicated semi-pro) tells you to reconsider your methods, then you tend to get ignored or berated. I suppose it's all in the presentation, as with most things.

Even if you want to use mostly hand tools, there are those of there that are just geeky enough to have done that and can offer advice on how to best do such things.