Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
What's the key?
I was planning black/medium brown/yellow
220 black
320 brown
400 brown
600 yellow
800 yellow
Polish
Will black and yellow still interact to make green if I put the brown down between them?
I was planning black/medium brown/yellow
220 black
320 brown
400 brown
600 yellow
800 yellow
Polish
Will black and yellow still interact to make green if I put the brown down between them?
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
If you are using alcohol based stains then they will just blend together.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Fiebings dye
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Fiebings is alcohol-based.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
I think this is one area where you will find that secrets are kept rather than shared because often a particular finish is associated with a particular maker. The key is really just experimentation.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Their institutional dyes are water based.sandahlpipe wrote:Fiebings is alcohol-based.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
I've gotten decent contrast with two fiebings colors without them running together, I've just never used yellow....
Is my plan a hot mess in the making?
I'm close to a nice pipe and I hate to screw it up now
Is my plan a hot mess in the making?
I'm close to a nice pipe and I hate to screw it up now
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
This is precisely the issue. Anyone can copy a shape, a stem, or a design from someone else. The finish is what gives each pipe its personality. Save your briar scraps and try out different processes on them. Mess around with staining at different grits, dyes, colors, additives, solutions and find out what works for you. When you find something that works for you, stick with it and your finish will have a different signature from the next pipe maker.NathanA wrote:I think this is one area where you will find that secrets are kept rather than shared because often a particular finish is associated with a particular maker. The key is really just experimentation.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Basically, you need to figure out a way to get the pipe dark, remove some of the dark parts, then add a lighter color without the darker color bleeding into it. Minimizing bleed is the key to the whole thing. Probably as many ways to do a high contrast stain as there are pipe makers. Read everything you can find about it heres on PMF, start experimenting by changing one variable at a time. Figure out what works for you and your way of doing things.
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
It takes practice. Past threads cover the basics. The frequency of your dyeing will just frustrate you. I apply dye twice for a contrast stain, once for base color, once for contrast. Your sanding is fine, but you can cut your dyeing application in half. Applying the colors twice will most likely bleed them together (just like Chris said).
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
ok cool
it sounds like at this point I may be on my own but I guess its worth asking a couple more questions in case someone is willing to go further:
is it possible to do a pass with shellac to set the base color and then sand lightly and contrast stain over that? Or will ANY amount of shellac prevent further dye from getting in?
it sounds like at this point I may be on my own but I guess its worth asking a couple more questions in case someone is willing to go further:
is it possible to do a pass with shellac to set the base color and then sand lightly and contrast stain over that? Or will ANY amount of shellac prevent further dye from getting in?
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Adding the shellac will likely make it go blotchy.
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
You can tint over shellac, but there are better ways of setting the first layer. This is where research starts.
Andrew
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
research as in experimentation?
I've read just about every thread I can find here on staining. They basically all say the same thing: start dark, sand, finish light.
but the details are mostly missing.
and I am still curious about this: will putting a different color (e.g., brown) in between black and yellow, prevent the black+yellow=green
phenomenon?
I've read just about every thread I can find here on staining. They basically all say the same thing: start dark, sand, finish light.
but the details are mostly missing.
and I am still curious about this: will putting a different color (e.g., brown) in between black and yellow, prevent the black+yellow=green
phenomenon?
Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Better idea to avoid green: mix a little red into your black (reddish brown, oxblood, or straight red) and apply it as one layer. Slight red plus slight green equals slight brown.
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
TIAFOcalsbeek wrote:research as in experimentation?
I've read just about every thread I can find here on staining. They basically all say the same thing: start dark, sand, finish light.
but the details are mostly missing.
and I am still curious about this: will putting a different color (e.g., brown) in between black and yellow, prevent the black+yellow=green
phenomenon?
Premal Chheda
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Toe-inhibiting ankle-foot arthrosis ? (seriously, that's what TIAFO mean's according to google...)PremalChheda wrote: TIAFO
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
So when you googled TIAFO you attempted to try it and find out, but to no avail?
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
Ratimus wrote:So when you googled TIAFO you attempted to try it and find out, but to no avail?
I guess it shows I'm not a native English speaker
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Re: Deep contrast: more coats or more colors?
I would point you in the direction of a finishing process that is not prone to bleeding in the first place.