How does Maigurs do it?
How does Maigurs do it?
I'm assuming the black band separating the accent burl from the briar is ebonite. How does Maigurs get such a good fit on a curved surface like that? Any trick or is it all painstaking hand sanding?
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Re: How does Maigurs do it?
I asked him that exact question at the show. He said something along the lines of a milling machine to cut the radius. I'm sure it could be done with hand sanding, but I don't think that's what he did.
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I've done it with files followed by scrapers, but it took quite a while. No carver would elect to do it that way. It would add 50% or more to the time required to make a pipe, and have little return.
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Re: How does Maigurs do it?
Several ways you could do it assuming you have a milling machine or metal lathe. Fastest would be a matching pair of router cutters.
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The first thing I thought of was some sort of router as well. I have no clue what that set up wold look like though.caskwith wrote:Several ways you could do it assuming you have a milling machine or metal lathe. Fastest would be a matching pair of router cutters.
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Also, making a cone shaped facing cut can achieve a similar result- you just play with the axis you're cutting it on- it works best in a 2jaw chuck.
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Granted. But, inquiring minds want to know: how do you make the mirror image concave cut that perfectly fits the convex cut you just made on the lathe? Unless of course your intent was solely to put a contoured surface on the end of the shank without making a mating piece.The Smoking Yeti wrote:Also, making a cone shaped facing cut can achieve a similar result- you just play with the axis you're cutting it on- it works best in a 2jaw chuck.
This entire exercise is very simple to achieve but unfortunately is not available to probably 99.9% of pipe makers: CNC mill with a ball nose cutter. This process can be utilized to make all sorts of fancy interlocking joints. My bet is that this is how Maigurs did what he did.
Matching router bits could work but how does one hold the blocks while utilizing the router bits? Those things have to be spun at some serious rpm to be effective. Takes you back to at least a manual milling machine. Oh yeah, you paid how much for that matching set of custom router bits?? Or, it took you how many hours to grind that perfectly matching set of cutters on your bench grinder??
NC is the only way to fly in my bookIF the equipment is available without having to pay a machine shop a small fortune to do it for you.
There is a lot of value-added because of the uniqueness of the finished product and the fact it was achieved without hours and hours of laborious hand work.
Now, if anyone has a practical alternative to achieving a contoured joint, we are all ears.
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The "machine-made pipes are cheap, horrible things!!" contingent ought to be having fun about now.
ALL pipes are made with tools. Bo, Lars, Sixten, Teddy, etc. all used tools. It was the hands CONTROLLING the tools that made the magic. Art.
Machines? Why, that's Dr. Grabow territory. Yello-Bole. Mass produced drugstore tobacco-access devices. Without question not art.
So... someone with Bo Nordh's eye for pipe design and Bill Gates' programming skill on a CNC machine would create what, exactly?
ALL pipes are made with tools. Bo, Lars, Sixten, Teddy, etc. all used tools. It was the hands CONTROLLING the tools that made the magic. Art.
Machines? Why, that's Dr. Grabow territory. Yello-Bole. Mass produced drugstore tobacco-access devices. Without question not art.
So... someone with Bo Nordh's eye for pipe design and Bill Gates' programming skill on a CNC machine would create what, exactly?
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Uh, a damn good looking pipe in a fraction of the time? (but it has no SOUL!!!!)So... someone with Bo Nordh's eye for pipe design and Bill Gates' programming skill on a CNC machine would create what, exactly?
Oh George, you are such a trouble maker.
Re: How does Maigurs do it?
How about heating the ebonite, then molding and clamping?
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how about cutting two steel pipes in half .. OD to ID match and then glue sandpaper on the newly created ID and OD surface..
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I don't know James, I don't think you would find a tight enough tolerance in the pipes? I have a lot of scrap copper pipe I might try it
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Re: How does Maigurs do it?
And the pipe in pics doesn't look to follow a circular curve.
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I think you could get away with doing it with some sort of hand held sanding jig. Probably a pipe wouldn't work best, though. You'd want to make a mold and negative mold of the surface and sand it that way. Either way, my hat is off to Maigurs. The fact that so many different suggestions are made here in this thread attests to the difficulty of pulling off this feat. And I can also safely say that this pipe is no less mystifying in person.
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I looked at his web site and he most assuredly has a mill tho it does not appear to be a CNC. It does have a Grizzly 3 axis digital readout.
The man is a very talented craftsman and model maker so the ability to pull off the compound curve inlay does not surprise me.
Chas.
The man is a very talented craftsman and model maker so the ability to pull off the compound curve inlay does not surprise me.
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There you go. Case closed.oklahoma red wrote:I looked at his web site and he most assuredly has a mill tho it does not appear to be a CNC. It does have a Grizzly 3 axis digital readout.
Maigurs' pipes are machine made, and therefore---obviously---crap.
Unless there's a soft flute playing in the background, the carver is wearing buckskins & moccasins from animals he killed with his bare hands (no firearms or bows---those are machines), his pipes are drilled with bits that are flint chips embedded in the end of a reed and shaped with a boar tusk, his fuckin' pipes are CRAP.
I thought this issue was settled long ago.
No collector worth his ass wants a goddam factory pipe. They suck. Only HANDMADE pipes are good.
I know that's true because 90% of you guys plaster the word all over your websites. Almost as often as the word "artisan."
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I did make a couple of pipes 100% by hand, but they looked like crap and I decided tools were the way to go.
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I gnawed my first pipe with my teeth. That's why I'm on a liquid diet for the rest of my life.
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George, I will be over this afternoon with Heath's truck to take all your devil tools off your hands. We all know you specialize in HAND MADE stems and therefore use NO machinery at all in the course of your work.
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How, THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.oklahoma red wrote:I gnawed my first pipe with my teeth.
Instead of "hand made," what we ought to be aspiring to is mouth made.
Get as far away from machine-made crap as possible. It's the only way to be a TRUE artist.
I bet that pipe brought a cool $250K on ebay, too, didn't it, Red? Collectors know their stuff, and recognize what matters and what doesn't straight away. There's no foolin' 'em when it comes to pipe pricing, and the method used to create it is the most important of all.
btw --- did you have flute music playing in the background while you chewed?
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