2014 Pipe In The Hat Trade.

scotties22 · Post by **scotties22** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:58 pm

Yeah, a prince it is. I'll update the first post with the shape , cut off and names in a bit.

scotties22 · Post by **scotties22** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:20 pm

Updated list. I am going to update the OP now

1. The Smoking Yeti
2. Ocelot55
3. scotties22
4. wdteipen
5. taharris
6. Vermont Freehand
7. BigCasino
8. Nate
9. PremalChheda
10. mredmond
11. UberHuberDude...I mean Man
12. andrew
13. wisemanpipes
14. Jthompson1995
15. N.Burnsworth
16. Oklahoma Red
17. Alden
18. mightysmurf8201
19. BeatusLiebowitz
20. Mickeyscogin
21. debeaupre
22. fuchi_jeg
23. notow1
24. eric

cmueller · Post by **cmueller** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:06 pm

I'm in

jogilli · Post by **jogilli** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:37 pm

I voted.... So I'm in.. April? Straight prince? Not what I voted for but that's ok

James

wisemanpipes · Post by **wisemanpipes** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:42 pm

is a bent prince a bend in the stem or bent shank? I don't think I consider a prince, a prince without the long semi bent stem

d.huber · Post by **d.huber** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:59 pm

AAAAaaar! A prince it be.

wisemanpipes wrote:is a bent prince a bend in the stem or bent shank? I don't think I consider a prince, a prince without the long semi bent stem

This.

oklahoma red · Post by **oklahoma red** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:57 am

Yo Scottie,
As per usual when the PITH gets started there are lots of calls for clarifications in what can and cannot be and what is and is not.
I hereby petition the court for a ruling.
Personally, I consider a "bent" pipe to be one where the angle between the axis of the bowl and the axis of the shank is less than 90 degrees.
The poll ended with a call for a "straight" Prince. Research on the shape will show both straight and slightly bent STEMS. Not to say that it does not exist, but I have never seen a classic Prince with a bent shank.
I would respectfully suggest that the definition of this PITH be a Prince, period. And as such, either straight or bent stems will be allowed.
The defense rests.
Chas.

The Smoking Yeti · Post by **The Smoking Yeti** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:52 am

oklahoma red wrote:Yo Scottie,
As per usual when the PITH gets started there are lots of calls for clarifications in what can and cannot be and what is and is not.
I hereby petition the court for a ruling.
Personally, I consider a "bent" pipe to be one where the angle between the axis of the bowl and the axis of the shank is less than 90 degrees.
The poll ended with a call for a "straight" Prince. Research on the shape will show both straight and slightly bent STEMS. Not to say that it does not exist, but I have never seen a classic Prince with a bent shank.
I would respectfully suggest that the definition of this PITH be a Prince, period. And as such, either straight or bent stems will be allowed.
The defense rests.
Chas.

I've thought about this myself, and would counter that we should probably keep things pretty darned close to straight. Sure maybe a degree or so of bend in the name of elegance, but the prince is traditionally only made straight- often with a bend in the stem.

LatakiaLover · Post by **LatakiaLover** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:29 am

Redi & Yeti ---

You're right as far as I know. I've seen a lot of Princes over the years, and have never seen one that had an angled shank. Bent stem or straight stem, the shank/bowl junction itself was always straight.

Ocelot55 · Post by **Ocelot55** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:16 am

Okay, I'll be the one to disagree.

While I think 90% of Prince shapes do have straight drilling (ie bowl and draft hole axes at roughly 90 degrees), I think a Prince can also be drilled slightly bent, maybe at 85 or 80 degrees.

Look at this Savinelli on smokingpipes

Looks like the drilling is not at 90 degrees to me, and yet it sure as hell looks like a Prince.

Just to go on the record, I'm fine with saying only straight Princes for this PITH, but I wanted to point out that bent Princes do exist.

scotties22 · Post by **scotties22** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:42 am

I have consulted with my magic ball and have come to the conclusion that this year's PITH should be a straight stummell. If you want to bend the stem a little, have at it. This will keep it a little more defined and keep us all headed in the right direction with a shape that is going to be a challenge.

And Red......next time go through the proper proceedures and make sure you come all the way into the fortune teller's tent and don't just stand at the door like you're scared

oklahoma red · Post by **oklahoma red** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:22 am

And Red......next time go through the proper procedures and make sure you come all the way into the fortune teller's tent and don't just stand at the door like you're scared

Ah, but one must always use proper etiquette when addressing the all-seeing, far-reaching Madam Zoombra. Her tent is a black hole in the fabric of the universe.

Crap, I need to do some work. Have a great day. Shopping done yet?
Chas.

scotties22 · Post by **scotties22** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:33 pm

oklahoma red wrote:
And Red......next time go through the proper procedures and make sure you come all the way into the fortune teller's tent and don't just stand at the door like you're scared
Ah, but one must always use proper etiquette when addressing the all-seeing, far-reaching Madam Zoombra. Her tent is a black hole in the fabric of the universe.
Crap, I need to do some work. Have a great day. Shopping done yet?
Chas.

Hahahahaaaaaa.....at least you know who you're dealing with

My shopping is all finished. The last box will be here on Saturday.

d.huber · Post by **d.huber** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:12 pm

scotties22 wrote:
oklahoma red wrote:
And Red......next time go through the proper procedures and make sure you come all the way into the fortune teller's tent and don't just stand at the door like you're scared
Ah, but one must always use proper etiquette when addressing the all-seeing, far-reaching Madam Zoombra. Her tent is a black hole in the fabric of the universe.
Crap, I need to do some work. Have a great day. Shopping done yet?
Chas.
Hahahahaaaaaa.....at least you know who you're dealing with

My shopping is all finished. The last box will be here on Saturday.

Wait, are we supposed to be shopping? Maybe this is why every year I get fewer and fewer phone calls around Christmas.

LatakiaLover · Post by **LatakiaLover** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:04 pm

Ocelot55 wrote:Okay, I'll be the one to disagree.

[Sav pic]

Looks like the drilling is not at 90 degrees to me, and yet it sure as hell looks like a Prince.

Just to go on the record, I'm fine with saying only straight Princes for this PITH, but I wanted to point out that bent Princes do exist.

Hm.

Now comes the quasi-philosophical question: Does an "interpretation with Italian flair" made decades after the originals constitute an authentic Prince, or is it just a "prince inspired" pipe in the same way a Castello billiard isn't really a billiard?

That one definitely has an angled shank, though, so thanks for the pointer. It's the first I've seen. (bending the lines clunks everything up, imo, but that's hardly a surprise

)

cmueller · Post by **cmueller** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:06 pm

I finished this up the other day. I gave it a shot and hopefully it fits the prince shape. Sorry, for the poor Picts.

The Smoking Yeti · Post by **The Smoking Yeti** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:50 pm

I'd say that pipe is more of an apple. I think of a prince as a bit more squat, and the shank comes out straight- this shank feels like it contributes to too much of a bend in the stem. Another thought, is the stem. I think a solid unwavering line to the button would fit this better than a fishtail. Nice work though- the texture looks very tactile. Good stuff!

d.huber · Post by **d.huber** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:47 pm

I agree with everything Micah mentioned, and would include that the stem appears too short.

Nice apple, though!

cmueller · Post by **cmueller** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:52 pm

I will rework the stummel and see what I come up with. I had no reference for the stem besides measuring prince shapes from my screen but maybe it's too short but I am unsure. Thanks for the comments.

N.Burnsworth · Post by **N.Burnsworth** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:51 pm

Just took a couple quick picks of a 60's GBD prince I have. This is what I plan to model my entry after, with the exception of maybe blasting rather than smooth. This IMO is a prime example of a classic English made prince.

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