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Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:53 pm
by Cory
Looking at picking up a few tools to make the process a bit easier.

I'm not planning on dropping any serious dough on something like the J.H. Lowe or PIMO tenon turner, but some tools that will expedite the process but won't break the bank would be ideal.

I was thinking a Dremel carving bit set (http://www.amazon.com/Dremel-689-01-11- ... ef=lh_ni_t) and a couple other things?

Suggestions would be good. Already have a set of Forstner bits, sanders, rotary tool, drill press, circular saw, table saw, chop saw, scroll saw, jig saw, see saw, etc.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:09 pm
by Mark Beattie
Hi Cory,

The tool race has begun. A couple drill bits would be a good start. One for the mortise, tobacco chamber and draught holes. A rotary tool with sanding drums makes quick work of stummel detail and stems. Not sure if you're making your own stems or modifying store bought stems. I assume your modifying store bought stems. If so, you might benefit from a length of Delrin to create tenons for them. I found this easier than using a tenon turning tool.

An adjustable vice would also be a nice addition for your drill press.

Hope this helps a tad,

Mark

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:21 pm
by Cory
I have a 3/4" and 7/8" tobacco chamber bit, 5/32" air hole bit, and Forstner set for mortises. I also have a rotary with drums.
Also, just ordered 10 feet of Delrin today haha.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:48 pm
by Kenny
If you are shaping pipes by hand, I'd suggest a high quality hand-struck rasp. Preferably two, a cabinet makers rasp and a rat-tail, and around 18-grain (sometimes called tpi). A modelers rasp at 25-grain is another good addition. Avoid machine made rasps if possible, as they are nowhere near equal of a hand-struck rasp.
Stewmac.com and Gramercy tools both offer hand-struck rasps, as does Lie-Nielsen (Aurio), with the first two options being the more affordable.

No, they are not cheap. But worth every penny and then some. And when you consider their likely to outlast you, they make a lot more sense.

Another cheaper alternative that I like, is the Shinto Saw Rasp. These work far better than a machine made traditional rasp, and would be my next choice following the hand-struck.

Avoid Nicholson rasps. Their quality has gone completely down the tube.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:01 pm
by Sasquatch
Agreed - get some good rasps, round, half round, and flat, flat files, and needle files (jeweller's files) for shaping and stem work.

Then get a lathe.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:38 pm
by wdteipen
A round chainsaw file is a must for shaping the transition between shank and bowl. I also do fine tuning with it. It's great for knocking off high points to get things round and it is easy to control.

Oh, and get a lathe. :lol:

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:54 am
by Growley
I got this set from Amazon and love it! Dirt cheap too!!!! This set is best for stem work and "ok" for rusticating but not great.

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Quality-20-Pi ... remel+bits

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:03 pm
by Ironpenny
Did anyone mention a lathe? .. :lol:



Chris

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:12 pm
by Charl
What is a dremel? :? :lol:
Never used one and can't really see that I will.
Buy a lathe.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:56 pm
by Kenny
Charl wrote:What is a dremel? :? :lol:
Never used one and can't really see that I will.
Buy a lathe.
I've got to agree with this. While the Dremel has it's place, I find rasps, files and sandpaper to be my preferred method of shaping. And while I'm no expert, I don't see a whole lot of use for a Dremel in pipe-making. Anything it can do, I can do with 100 times the control via files, rasps or hand-sanding.

And, it is true, a lathe is key. I'd be saving my pennies for one.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm
by KurtHuhn
I get a load of use out of my dremel. I really wouldn't want to be without it.

But I'd miss my lathe even more. :)

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:51 pm
by wdteipen
I use my Dremel fairly often too for various things. Lacking the luxury of more expensive options, it's a pretty good choice, IMHO.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:21 pm
by The Smoking Yeti
I too can vouch for a dremel. It is phenomenal for early shaping on pipes. I mean sure, if I could afford a better option I would. But still- I think my dremel will always have its place in my shop. Totally worth it.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:08 pm
by DMI
Get the rasps, I paid £90 for five Swiss rasps about four years ago and use them for 90 % of my shaping work. You might also want to look at 1st and 2nd cut metal working files and rifler rasps (even the really cheap ones)

Dremels-some people love 'em, I think it is the power tool/man tool thing. If you do get one I would reccomend carbide rather than diamond burrs as they work at high speed and cut quicker without burning.

Oh and if you slip with a rasp it's a little mistake, if you slip with a burr at 6,000rpm it becomes a shop pipe.

David.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:31 pm
by Cory
I think I may get a few rasps. I am finding that the diamond needle file set and 120-600 grit sandpaper just isn't ideal for shaping...

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:59 pm
by DMI
Oh and try different sandpapers, emery cloth (I use this), abranet, scotchbrite, wet and dry ETC.

I do it like this:
NO LATHE TURNING
wheel, rasps, files, 60 grit, 120,180,240,320,400,500 then grey (ultrafine) scotchbrite.

Re: Getting Some New Tools - Suggestions

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:35 pm
by d.huber
I'm shopping a lathe right now, but I've been using my dremel for lots of stuff like drilling(more like opening and sanding) the chamber.

I'll continue the trend, even though I've got no experience with the tool yet. Get a lathe. :P