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An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:31 pm
by Ocelot55
So In my attempt to create a Dublin suitable enough to enter the Kansas City carving contest I have been making a lot of Dublins. I thought this block would be the one, an absolutely beautiful piece of briar from Mimmo that was just screaming to be a Dublin.
Well as soon as I cut into it several large flaws were revealed. The previous day I had to discard a pipe because I found a flaw entering the draft hole from the shank (5 hours of wasted labor to discover that), so the appearance of these flaws flustered me quite a bit. I decided to try and make lemonade out of lemons and began shaping the pipe and chasing the flaws.
I couldn't get all of them out, so I decided to partially rusticate the area with the remaining flaw. In an attempt to frame the rustication I began to carve some lines and curves into the pipe to set aside that area for rustication. Long story short, I should have thought a bit more about how the lines were going to play into the composition rather than attack the briar like a monkey with a file.
Here are a couple photos as it stands. I'm not sure if I want to just go ahead and finish it out or try to correct those lines. Comments?

Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:43 pm
by pipedreamer
can you repeat on front the same ridge. Then it would appear the bowl, proper is held. I Would'nt throw it away you will figure it out. It's obvious you have talent up the wazoo. Look at it as an exercise. I feel the frustration, I've been there.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:03 pm
by e Markle
Not sure what it does on the other side - can you use that line as a break between smooth and blast? Also, be sure to thin the ebonite between briar and adornment out considerably. Nice pipe.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 pm
by wisemanpipes
nice pipe jesse. to bad about the flaw. like ernie said, can you blast the shank half of the line and keep the bowl smooth. more pictures are in order to see the other side.
-evan
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:53 pm
by Ocelot55
e Markle wrote:Not sure what it does on the other side - can you use that line as a break between smooth and blast? Also, be sure to thin the ebonite between briar and adornment out considerably. Nice pipe.
The other side is roughly symmetrical. I just don't like how the ridge around the bowl and the continuous line from stem to shank meet. It looks sloppy and the flow is interrupted. I do plan on rusticating everything separated off from the rest of the pipe and leave the bowl and bottom smooth.
Ernie, are you referring to the sliver of ebonite between the zebrawood and the stummel? It always looks thinner when I slice it off the rod stock.

Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:19 pm
by e Markle
Ocelot55 wrote: I just don't like how the ridge around the bowl and the continuous line from stem to shank meet. It looks sloppy and the flow is interrupted. I do plan on rusticating everything separated off from the rest of the pipe and leave the bowl and bottom smooth.
Yeah, generally when makers execute this ridge, it sits right in the shank/bowl junction. Perhaps if you took some meat off the back of the bowl so that top part looked like a wrap...? Also, that pipe is too nice for rustication; I would go out of my way to blast it.
Ocelot55 wrote:Ernie, are you referring to the sliver of ebonite between the zebrawood and the stummel? It always looks thinner when I slice it off the rod stock.

I hear ya. I would throw that on a pin gauge, and knock some off. You'll have to reshape a touch, but it will be more elegant. Just my opinion.

Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:19 pm
by e Markle
Ocelot55 wrote: I just don't like how the ridge around the bowl and the continuous line from stem to shank meet. It looks sloppy and the flow is interrupted. I do plan on rusticating everything separated off from the rest of the pipe and leave the bowl and bottom smooth.
Yeah, generally when makers execute this ridge, it sits right in the shank/bowl junction. Perhaps if you took some meat off the back of the bowl so that top part looked like a wrap...? Also, that pipe is too nice for rustication; I would go out of my way to blast it.
Ocelot55 wrote:Ernie, are you referring to the sliver of ebonite between the zebrawood and the stummel? It always looks thinner when I slice it off the rod stock.

I hear ya. I would throw that on a pin gauge, and knock some off. You'll have to reshape a touch, but it will be more elegant. Just my opinion.

Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:29 pm
by Ocelot55
e Markle wrote:Yeah, generally when makers execute this ridge, it sits right in the shank/bowl junction. Perhaps if you took some meat off the back of the bowl so that top part looked like a wrap...? Also, that pipe is too nice for rustication; I would go out of my way to blast it.
I might play with the lines a little bit.
I agree with that it would look pretty sweet partially blasted, but since I have to outsource all my blasting, rustication, unfortunately, will have to do.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:52 pm
by jogilli
jesse... then outsource it.. the pipe is super nice...and as a beginner the rustification will only detract from its presentation... I think you've carved a super nice pipe, but listen to ernie...
personally I like rusticated pipe.. and I rusticate mine due to the lack of a sand blaster (close at hand), BUT if you're going to enter it into a pipe contest... got that little extra .. I do when a customer asks.. it's all part of it...
james
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:05 pm
by LatakiaLover
Ocelot55 wrote:...attack the briar like a monkey with a file.
But... but... I thought that was Rad's secret method. Now I'm confused.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:45 pm
by d.huber
I agree with Ernie. I'd go out of my way to blast it.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:40 am
by Ocelot55
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:20 am
by scotties22
I really like it Jesse. I think you should make another and play with the ridge at the back of the bowl a bit. The blast plays very well with the plateaux. I think the stem needs just a leetle beet of a bend, though. It throws off the eye being straight.
You bringing it to the show?
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:28 am
by Ocelot55
scotties22 wrote:I really like it Jesse. I think you should make another and play with the ridge at the back of the bowl a bit. The blast plays very well with the plateaux. I think the stem needs just a leetle beet of a bend, though. It throws off the eye being straight.
You bringing it to the show?
It'll be there. The cool thing about this one is that it is a sitter! I know I got the basics right on this one, but it's the details that are killing me!
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:27 am
by wdteipen
I think it would flow better with a slight bend in the stem.
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:43 am
by RDPowell
I LIKE it!

Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:43 pm
by jogilli
nice save.. but as mentioned.. bent the stem some..
james
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:48 pm
by d.huber
Lookin' good! Why doesn't the stem match up with the shank face anymore?
Re: An ad hoc Experiment in Lines: EPIC FAIL
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:53 am
by The Smoking Yeti
Good save indeed- details are always toughest- go figure. I think one I notice straight away is the tape line right before the stem isn't very even looking.